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Tisbury Parish including Upper Chicksgrove Also West Tisbury Parish
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One moved into the UPPER
CHICKSGROVE area of Tisbury Parish in 1980, however our family had
sent cousin Finetta (Downe) to Tisbury via Dinton by 4th.May
1674. As a new comer I wasn't minded to seek election to any local
Council here , though one had previously twice stood for election as
an Independent to the New Forest District Council, after eight years
residence in that location.
One had three daughters,
all fortuitously soon at Salisbury Girl's Grammar School. Possibly
locals may not be aware that in those days ,Tisbury persons were
ineligible for Salisbury Grammar Schools. However my old spirit being
undulled,one contested such ineligibility, and despite there being no
vacancy at the girls grammar school, the school was required on
appeal, to accommodate yet another girl, because there were vacancies
at the Boys Grammar, and equality of the sexes was then of prime
import. It was after our entry, that Tisbury persons were deemed
eligible for selection to the Salisbury Grammar Schools. Certainly
before then some Catholic children could be sent by the Council to
Catholic Private Schools such as St.Mary's at Shaftesbury. I did
actually offer to let our girls go there , rather than to a Salisbury
Grammar School, but the Council thought that an expensive option.
Attendance at Salisbury
wasn't that straight forward, for there was soon the suggestion that
both its Grammar Schools be abolished. Thus one was busy assisting
others in their fight for the retention of both schools. Though one
left most of the enterprise to them, one assisted, becoming too
Secretary and Treasurer of the PTA. At South Wilts.
Having never lost interest
in local governance, there came a time one wondered whether to have a
stab at candidacy for Salisbury District Council, however saw no
actual vacancy, nor considered myself in any way better suited to
attempt either Tisbury seat, than those who then represented us. That
was as well, for decision was next made to abolish the District
Council and have but County and Parish Councils. The probability of
my failure apart , it was as well one hadn't stood for election as
an Independent, for one next heard that none of those elected in our
area was considered suited to hold 'office' at Trowbridge, though the
Council chair was herself elevated to become a member of the House of
Lords.
Tisbury Village, has
Parish Councils for each of its two constituent parishes . People did
volunteer their services as Councillors, but seemingly too few do so
now. I recall a while back, that a then sitting Parish Councillor and
I, made complaint to the then District Council that Tisbury Parish
Council had too many Parish Councillors. Despite a letter from the
Parish Council disputing the suggestion, The District reduced the
number of our seats by two. This, please be reminded reduced our
Councillorship to but eleven persons ,
even so last May we had no election for Parish Councillors, because
we were short of four or was it five candidates. One has really lost
track of West Tisbury, for that Parish Council hasn't had an election
for years.
Is either Tisbury
Parish Council now representative of its area electorate ?
Despite the good intent
of those offering their services as Parish Councillors in either
Parish, one suspects Tisbury Village area', should be a conjoined
Parish, with fewer Parish Councillors than severally it now has.
Should
that first happen, then possibly an over all elected Parish Council ,
might better decide upon the way ahead for the village of
Tisbury, for some do not see things as others currently do.
Unfortunately West Tisbury
seems reluctant to amalgamate its Parish with ours, could this be
because currently Tisbury Parish Council ratepayers alone, pay for
facilities enjoyed too by West Tisbury ?
One noted the disparity
of votes cast at Tisbury's Parish Council election in May four years
ago. That indicated that some of our Councillors were more favoured
than others. That's perfectly understandable, however one is asked to
elect a full Council, not nominate personal favourites. Clearly one
should either vote for a full council, or not vote at all. What
happened distorted all the candidates' good intent. However its only
fair to acknowledge that many other Wiltshire Parishes also failed to
hold an election this last May, because there were too few candidates
to precipitate an election.
One does not know whether
there are still vacancies on Tisbury Parish Council. If now there are
none, one wonders why those who may have filled vacancies didn't
offer their services from the off. Something that one does register
is that the Tisbury Business Association seems to thrive, so further
wonder why more such' public spirited' persons failed to stand for
election to the Parish Council.
Living as one does out in
the 'sticks', I have little idea who some of our current Parish
Councillors are, for their names are unfamiliar . Nor do I know most
of the
'Tis Plan Steering Group, July 2017', nor how one came
by them , but one is grateful for everyone's helpful intent.
One wonders, concerning the ' Neighbourhood plan for Tisbury and West Tisbury.'
but thank all those who
have done so much work concerning it. I certainly went to one of its
'open days.' however the only person there whom I knew, seemed too
busy to engage in any conversation with me. I do not recall receiving
a specific questionnaire one heard tell of. However do recall that
several years back the then Chair of Tisbury Parish Council was
surprised to hear that Upper Chicksgrove was within Tisbury Parish.
Since then we did elect an Upper Chicksgrove resident as a Parish
Councillor, however she resigned early on, because I understand ,
Tisbury Parish Council seemed less than inclusive of Upper
Chicksgrove.
Some years ago a different
questionnaire was distributed by Tisbury volunteers, I helped with
its distribution and collection, but having done so, left ones fellow
volunteers to it, because one wasn't invited to even see , or process
the returns. The distribution of the questionnaire in large brown
envelopes was comprehensive, the only answers I saw were , but as a
published resume, produced by some of the remaining committee
members.
Did not that questionnaire
advise that 'Tisbury 'had no wish for a new car park at the bottom of
the High Street, nor wished to see the old Parmiter site used for
accommodation rather than employment ? If such was so, one may wonder
why any pursued the car park idea before abandoning the project, or
still persist in the idea of using the old Parmiter site for
accommodation, despite that expressed contrary wish of Tisbury
residents.
There was too the matter
of that 'new' housing estate off Hindon Lane, Tisbury. Of course
Tisbury acquired a financial 'Nest Egg' from that Developer, but some
of the money was used for the construction of a Cricket Pavilion in
an adjoined Parish. I've no idea who owns that structure, nor why
Tisbury paid for much of it.
What then of the former
Tisbury Middle School , once taken over by a private school. I
recall attending a meeting hosted by the County Council. I too,
having been invited to make comment by the County, the then chair of
the Tisbury Parish Council, objected that my expressed opinion was
contrary to that of the Parish Council, and that I spoke at a meeting
I had no business attending.
A Private School became
the occupant of the former Tisbury Middle School premises for a
period of time, but Tisbury shared use of its School Hall with them.
Eventually the school left
and its premises were re-acquired by the County for community use,
not only for Tisbury, but too for surrounding Parishes.
The current road access to
that former Tisbury school seems appallingly dangerous , passing as
it does through a housing estate if approached from central Tisbury.
Mind you one might approach it via the Wyndham Place area, (should
the 'proposed' gate remain open
The Wyndham name being adopted for
a particular piece of development ,wasn't appreciated by the owners
of other houses named Wyndhams in the Tisbury and Chicksgrove
Parishes, whose addresses soon attracted unwelcome correspondence of
a financial nature, which harassment the Police were advised of.
Why is Tisbury Parish
Council seemingly so out of touch with the electorate? I do not
believe'Tisbury Village as a whole', needs so many Parish Councillors
, nor need of two Parish Clerks.
One duly notes that Hindon
and Compton Chamberlain have modern Halls, so one wonders why
'Tisbury' has such a 'hotch potch' of Halls . Goodness only knows
what is to become of the old library premises? Is that too to cost
the Parish money ?
One wonders too what rates
local shops pay ? Its convenient to have such facilities, but one
sees Tisbury persons shopping in Shaftesbury and Salisbury, whilst
subsidising the Council rates of Tisbury Shop premises.
Living as my wife and I do
in Tisbury Parish, in an on- road semi detached cottage some two
miles off the Village Centre, I do not see it as my mission in life
to spend £ 45.98 every week of the year ( £6.56 per day, ) to fund
both County and Parish Councils . To add insult to injury newer homes
are charged on the value of such houses on 1st.April
1991. Thus too rather grander landed properties , now restored , pay
lower rates than we do, especially those who have their rates
discounted because of sole occupation, or due to other financial
considerations. No doubt those of us not so benefiting, pay for such
discounts ? If readers will excuse me mentioning such a thing, none
of the housing in Upper Chicksgrove is connected to the near by
sewerage system, so no such costs are not included in Council bills.
Upper Chicksgrove had
surveyors at work in a farm yard a couple of weeks ago. One fears the
worst , for all the buildings in both the upper and lower farm yards
were connected to a modern drainage system a year or so back. It will
be interesting to see what may happen there anon. One did ask the
owner of the farm in a letter dated the 19th July last
year, but received no written reply. I recall someone else explaining
to me a year or so back that he had opened a commercial car repair
business in the Farm Yard. He however left, though another now
repairs cars there, and others do I know not what. Do these Farm
buildings pay rates?
Quarry Lane Upper
Chicksgrove has a former Quarry the other side of the railway line.
Stone comes in, stone goes out, some stone is still excavated. Such
enterprise was seemingly encouraged by the Parish Council, however an
associated planning permission failed at County Council level. So
what happens now , apart from the stone that still goes in and out?
Then of course there is
access to that railway line, all of which is via a stone bridge over
the Nadder River, which is at last under repair. Upper Chicksgrove is
of course 'separated' from Tisbury village by both the burial ground
and the sewage works. Not that our community is connected to the
Sewage system, nor to Tisbury's high speed Internet access, though
we are expected to pay for its use.
Possibly Upper Chicksgrove
should be amalgamated with Lower Chicksgrove. There was talk a while
back of it being included in the Parish of West Tisbury, possibly
that was a joke !
One realises that Tisbury
, and other Parish Councillors try their best, however maybe the
electorate here and in other Parishes feels disconnected from Parish
affairs, so do not stand for election, vote, or attend Council
meetings. This never used to be the way things were. Has this
anything to do with the loss of our District Council ? JBP. 7th August 2017.
Saturday, 7 January 2017
THE COST OF ACCOMMODATION.
One was chatting to a working man this morning who mentioned that he paid £700 rent for his house. Well one had to ask, and his answer was, that was the rent he paid per month. Naturally one knows not the house, none the less can but think of another house , situated in a prime position of a Thames side village, the rent of which my late mother as a widow became beneficiary of. At first it’s gross controlled rent was £60pa.exclusive of rates ,being as it was negotiated during the depression of the thirties, and maintained by wartime security of tenure provisions. Apart from that newly built terrace house, there was too free use of a shared maintained four acre garden, along with a private gardens attached to the house, and use of a garage.
When such controlled tenancies were set aside, the prior tenants of the house, had no wish to pay the new gross rent of £300 pa exclusive , as prescribed by Chartered Surveyors, (without use of the four acres) they left the property. Thus it was that in the nineteen sixties the house was sold for in the region of £5000 Leasehold, with a thirty shilling a year ground rent. However of a sudden by order of the Government’s new legislation, the freehold had next to be sold to the tenant for £15.plus Lawyer’s and Valuer’s costs. One has always thought this legislation bordered on legislative dishonesty, but it was occasioned on account of the hoard of Victorian leasehold tenancies then about to expire in areas such as Brighton. ‘Landlords’ lost out , whilst most tenants were financially advantaged, especially those who had recently bought cheaply, the tail ends of tenancies about to fall in. If that was bad luck for the original property owners, what of the good fortune of the lady who’d purchased the freehold of ‘our’ house. Well her children presently offer ‘our’ end of terrace house and two garages which I provided, and garden etc. for sale at a little under a million pounds freehold, The house has a recently converted loft space with Velux windows and a newly built lobby area to the back door. I hope their sale is successful, none the less feel that ‘we’ the original builders lost out on father’s expectations.
Ones own sob story apart, one feels that Governments, are little short of incompetent in their dealings. Maybe rent controls should be brought back. I know that I couldn’t afford to pay £700 a month to rent a house, anymore than one can afford to pay well over £2000 a year for the rates of our current rurally located, on a side road property. Here all our neighbours except two, get ‘discounts’ either for single occupancy, or because their now modernised houses are still assessed at their original valuations. I appreciate the money councils spend has to come from somewhere, but very much object to part financing the discounts available to others, who are better able than I to finance their own living costs, and one can but wonder why currently now grander properties are newly assessed to pay lower rates than we do. One cant do anything about that until one sells our house. It really is time for the re-valuations of property, promised but defaulted upon by government.
I don’t suppose that only the big house opposite and our good selves solely pay for the discounts of others, and to be fair when either my wife or I kick the bucket, our house too will be discounted by 10% ( over £200 pa.) having but a single person occupancy. Then of course the rest of you can make up the deficit when paying your rates.
TISBURY PARISH COUNCIL.
Living as one does two miles off central Tisbury, one wonders why our part co-opted Tisbury Parish Council think it appropriate to scatter our money around as they seem to, and heaven only knows which Council will be paying the running costs of the old Nadder Middle School premises.
Both County and Parish Councils, are due elections soon, and one notes that some long serving Parish Councillors may resign their elected office. Possibly the idea is that once again others be co-opted to fill such vacancies. Personally I’d rather now let any vacancies remain unfilled until after forthcoming elections, because already too many of the Parish Councillors hold their office, by co-option, some having inherited the office of former ‘co-optees.’
DOWN BY THE STATION.
Something else one is concerned about is the current proposal to spend was it five thousand pounds a year to hire an area of ground below the railway station, which area would be used for car parking, presumably after rate payers have paid a small fortune to surface the area .I do not see any such need, so believe Tisbury Parishioners , should again be consulted, before Parish Councillors are minded to so spend our money even on a leasehold basis. Alternatively maybe the Tisbury Business Association might wish to hire the land itself. ?
Some years ago the Parish’s opinion was against the idea of buying that piece of land opposite the station. Our opinions were clearly expressed in the questionnaire all houses in Tisbury were invited to complete .After its delivery to each house by a voluntary group (Here I would declare my interest in the questionnaire, for I was among the original volunteers to formulate some of the questions, then distribute, and collect the answers in their anonymous impressive plain brown envelopes ) These once collected were handed in , to be processed by a sub committee. However having not been invited to assess the completed questionnaires, my work done I left the committee to their deliberations. When the opinions expressed in the questionnaire were published, one of the things it advised was that Tisbury had no wish to BUY this car park area opposite the station. So it concerns me now to hear that some are minded that Tisbury pays the owner of the land £5,000 a year to RENT it.
Did one read that the ground is the property of a Mr. Johnson and if so is this the same man who once sold me 2 Bennett Mews, leasehold, for the occupation of my late mother A house which later I sold on.? J.B.P.
6th January 2017.
One was chatting to a working man this morning who mentioned that he paid £700 rent for his house. Well one had to ask, and his answer was, that was the rent he paid per month. Naturally one knows not the house, none the less can but think of another house , situated in a prime position of a Thames side village, the rent of which my late mother as a widow became beneficiary of. At first it’s gross controlled rent was £60pa.exclusive of rates ,being as it was negotiated during the depression of the thirties, and maintained by wartime security of tenure provisions. Apart from that newly built terrace house, there was too free use of a shared maintained four acre garden, along with a private gardens attached to the house, and use of a garage.
When such controlled tenancies were set aside, the prior tenants of the house, had no wish to pay the new gross rent of £300 pa exclusive , as prescribed by Chartered Surveyors, (without use of the four acres) they left the property. Thus it was that in the nineteen sixties the house was sold for in the region of £5000 Leasehold, with a thirty shilling a year ground rent. However of a sudden by order of the Government’s new legislation, the freehold had next to be sold to the tenant for £15.plus Lawyer’s and Valuer’s costs. One has always thought this legislation bordered on legislative dishonesty, but it was occasioned on account of the hoard of Victorian leasehold tenancies then about to expire in areas such as Brighton. ‘Landlords’ lost out , whilst most tenants were financially advantaged, especially those who had recently bought cheaply, the tail ends of tenancies about to fall in. If that was bad luck for the original property owners, what of the good fortune of the lady who’d purchased the freehold of ‘our’ house. Well her children presently offer ‘our’ end of terrace house and two garages which I provided, and garden etc. for sale at a little under a million pounds freehold, The house has a recently converted loft space with Velux windows and a newly built lobby area to the back door. I hope their sale is successful, none the less feel that ‘we’ the original builders lost out on father’s expectations.
Ones own sob story apart, one feels that Governments, are little short of incompetent in their dealings. Maybe rent controls should be brought back. I know that I couldn’t afford to pay £700 a month to rent a house, anymore than one can afford to pay well over £2000 a year for the rates of our current rurally located, on a side road property. Here all our neighbours except two, get ‘discounts’ either for single occupancy, or because their now modernised houses are still assessed at their original valuations. I appreciate the money councils spend has to come from somewhere, but very much object to part financing the discounts available to others, who are better able than I to finance their own living costs, and one can but wonder why currently now grander properties are newly assessed to pay lower rates than we do. One cant do anything about that until one sells our house. It really is time for the re-valuations of property, promised but defaulted upon by government.
I don’t suppose that only the big house opposite and our good selves solely pay for the discounts of others, and to be fair when either my wife or I kick the bucket, our house too will be discounted by 10% ( over £200 pa.) having but a single person occupancy. Then of course the rest of you can make up the deficit when paying your rates.
TISBURY PARISH COUNCIL.
Living as one does two miles off central Tisbury, one wonders why our part co-opted Tisbury Parish Council think it appropriate to scatter our money around as they seem to, and heaven only knows which Council will be paying the running costs of the old Nadder Middle School premises.
Both County and Parish Councils, are due elections soon, and one notes that some long serving Parish Councillors may resign their elected office. Possibly the idea is that once again others be co-opted to fill such vacancies. Personally I’d rather now let any vacancies remain unfilled until after forthcoming elections, because already too many of the Parish Councillors hold their office, by co-option, some having inherited the office of former ‘co-optees.’
DOWN BY THE STATION.
Something else one is concerned about is the current proposal to spend was it five thousand pounds a year to hire an area of ground below the railway station, which area would be used for car parking, presumably after rate payers have paid a small fortune to surface the area .I do not see any such need, so believe Tisbury Parishioners , should again be consulted, before Parish Councillors are minded to so spend our money even on a leasehold basis. Alternatively maybe the Tisbury Business Association might wish to hire the land itself. ?
Some years ago the Parish’s opinion was against the idea of buying that piece of land opposite the station. Our opinions were clearly expressed in the questionnaire all houses in Tisbury were invited to complete .After its delivery to each house by a voluntary group (Here I would declare my interest in the questionnaire, for I was among the original volunteers to formulate some of the questions, then distribute, and collect the answers in their anonymous impressive plain brown envelopes ) These once collected were handed in , to be processed by a sub committee. However having not been invited to assess the completed questionnaires, my work done I left the committee to their deliberations. When the opinions expressed in the questionnaire were published, one of the things it advised was that Tisbury had no wish to BUY this car park area opposite the station. So it concerns me now to hear that some are minded that Tisbury pays the owner of the land £5,000 a year to RENT it.
Did one read that the ground is the property of a Mr. Johnson and if so is this the same man who once sold me 2 Bennett Mews, leasehold, for the occupation of my late mother A house which later I sold on.? J.B.P.
6th January 2017.
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